Time to evict the bishops?

Chris Clark - Labour Humanists
Chris Clark for the Labour Humanists: There is no reason for anyone to occupy a place in the British parliament as of right.
The Labour manifesto of 2005 pledged that we would complete the job of reforming the House of Lords, making it a modern, democratic chamber fit for the needs of the twenty-first century.
The draft legislation trailed in the Queen’s Speech set out two options for the reformed second chamber, with either 80% or 100% of members elected. Under the 100% elected option, there would be no reserved places for Church of England Bishops.
A 100% elected second chamber is the most democratic way forward. There is no reason for anyone to occupy a place in the British parliament as of right. Last year the Government addressed one of our constitution’s long-standing oddities, in removing the Law Lords from the legislature and founding a supreme court. The next step is to deal with the democratic deficit and ensure that anyone sitting in the reformed second chamber has a mandate to be there. If the remaining members of the Lords are confident that people will agree with their opinions and/or will want to be represented by them, then they should stand for election and let the people decide.
Advocates of retaining some appointed members point to people from non-political backgrounds with substantial experience, or special areas of expertise, who may not wish to stand for election. These people certainly have a contribution to make. So the question we must ask is, would a 100% elected chamber mean we lose the benefit of their wisdom and experience?
The answer is that we can listen to what these people have to say without handing them a permanent seat and vote in our parliament. For a start, those who decline to stand for election can still contribute to public debate by writing or speaking outside parliament. And just as the Select Committee system sees parliamentarians asking questions of subject experts from business, charities and campaigning organisations, there is nothing to say that representatives from faith communities could not be invited to give evidence in a similar way.
The only religious institution currently represented in the Lords by right is the Church of England – a single denomination of a single religion. This discriminates against members of other religions and those with non-religious belief systems like humanists. Preserving the status quo is unthinkable.
One response to this is to say that this religious privilege should be extended to other religions and/or other Christian denominations. Thankfully, the Government has already ruled this option out in the White Paper of 2008, which confirmed that no seats in the reformed second chamber will be reserved for representatives of other religions.
So, is it time to evict the Bishops? Our answer is that they should give up the seats they hold as of right and, if they wish, compete in an open contest – Labour Humanists say, let the people decide.
Chris Clark is Labour’s prospective parliamentary candidate for Ashford and a member of the executive committee of Labour Humanists
For the BHA position on Bishops in the Lords see:
http://www.humanism.org.uk/campaigns/constitutional-reform/bishops-in-the-lords
The British Humanist Association is not a party political organisation. The Labour Humanists are affiliated to the BHA as are a number of other groups with party political affiliations.
Open debate
Labour Humanists are hosting an open debate on whether it is time to evict the “Lords Spiritual.”
Time and date: 7:30pm, Wednesday 27 January 2010
Location: Committee Room 10, Portcullis House.
Chair: David Aaronovitch
Yes: Polly Toynbee, President of the British Humanist Association and Jonathan Bartley, Co-director, Ekklesia
No: The Rt Revd Tim Stevens, Bishop of Leicester and Convenor of the Lords Spiritual and Rt Hon Baroness Elizabeth Butler-Sloss
Tickets: FREE and open to all, though you have to book. Parliamentary Passholders still need to register.

The House of Lords is nothing short of an embarrassing anachronism. Totally undemocratic. Why do we still have it, at all?
And for CofE Bishops to be there “as of right”? Unbelievable. Positions of power and influence in Government matters given “by right” to a bunch of men who believe (or would have us believe that they believe) in an imaginary being.
And we pay for them to be there!
Chris Clark is right (and I am not a Labout voter, btw). If there is a case for a second chamber, then it must be 100% elected.
James Jones. Harrogate
Absolutely – chuck them out! It is crazy there are these — what is it, 26 or so? — people in our legislature for no reason other than being leaders of the CofE. The church should be disestablished too. It is silly to have an official state religion, when the religion in question is full of unprovable dogmas and in any case only a minority actually believe in it. Ditto for the monarch being supreme governor of it — it is crazy and means, among other things, that the monarch is, unlike everyone else, not free to decide for themselves what their beliefs are, or even who to marry (no Catholics)!
Certainly the Bishops must go. But I’m not keen on a 100% elected House of Lords. It would presumably attract career politicians who would have to spend money on an election campaign of some sort.
My preference is for an upper chamber of the great and good appointed by some independent committee who would base their choice on merit. The only problem would be to ensure the independence of this selection committee, Surely this should not be all that difficult?
If this is not acceptable, perhaps some form of compromise is possible. Say, a committee produces a list of nominations for the House of Lords and people then vote on those they prefer in that list.
The bishops have seats in the Lords for exactly the same reasons as the hereditary peers did: because they held their lands directly of the English crown. (That’s why, for example, the Bishop of Sodor and Man never had a seat.) They are not there to represent their church, they are there because they (or their predecessors) were major landlords, And the number of seats they hold is the number of (arch)bishops there were when Henry VIII finished his reorganization of the Church of which He was the Supreme Head.
There’s no reason why Lords Spiritual should be treated in a different way from Lords Temporal.
The Lords is is a grace and favour club that is undemocratic and fails to represent the needs of the people or balance the House of Commons. Lords reform has failed to deliver and the bishops need to go.
Shame on the Labour Party that it hasn’t managed even this basic reform in it’s 13 years of power.