“Friends, Roman pontiffs, countrymen…”
Whatever we say, however we speak up, some people will always interpret protest as prejudice. Bob Churchill protests.
Consider just two little nuggets on the Pope’s state visit and his detractors:
1. Ben Goldacre joked via Twitter from the Protest the Pope rally, “Who knew so many people disapproved of child rape and dangerous anti-condom nonsense?” But, speaking on behalf of “sober observers” everywhere, Andrew Brown was still rather surprised by the turnout for Saturday’s Protest the Pope march.
2. In a BBC2 retrospective discussion on the visit, a participant was able to describe critics of the Pope as having “extremist” views with impunity. Archbishop Vincent Nichols appears to describe protesters as taking an “argumentative or shrill” approach, while Lord Chris Patten, the state’s Catholic organiser of the state visit, said that “enthusiasm overwhelmed cynicism” in the end. Later he would hope that the visit would prompt “a more serious debate about the role of religion in society.”
As if the debate and anger currently surrounding the Holy See is frivolous.
The BBC2 programme was formal and high-toned. An audience of protesters wasn’t necessary, but none of the eminent and respectable critics of papal policy were present either. The nearest this programme came to criticism was from the two academic participants pointing out that “there are long-term questions that remain” and that the Catholic hierarchy “is radically out of step” with the average Catholic. But later the same participants celebrated the fact that the visit “got people talking about religion” which is “good for religion”. The Pope was “sensitive” to UK politics and handled things “wisely and very, very well,” said Tina Beattie. Presumably she wasn’t thinking about the papal comments blaming Nazism on atheism.
There is a pattern of response, here. Those who detract from Vatican teaching are painted as argumentative cynics, frivolously objecting to the serious and genuine moral teaching of the faith. Victims of the protesters’ disproportionate vitriol are “surprised”, bemused or outright incredulous. They adopt a kind of forced dismissiveness. Objections to the Church are already in hand; objections to the Church are immature, are offered from a position of ignorance, or of malice; objections to the Church may be looked down upon and disregarded.
Whatever we say, however we speak up, some people will always interpret protest as prejudice.
No one who spoke for the Protest the Pope campaign, and not even any of the banners I saw and which were well-photographed on the march, was spiteful about Catholics en masse. It was all about the state, the visit, the teachings of the Church. It was about the Pope and the Vatican, it was not about all the people who call themselves Catholics. Yet Amanda Platell still thinks it’s fair game to describe us all, without qualification, as “self-important atheists and Catholic-haters”. Apparently, we’re “bigots”. All of us. Amanda Platell knows this for a fact. We chanted “Protect the children, not the priests”; and this means we have “twisted values”! (One of few the reports which actually did seem to take the protesters at their word was from the Morning Star.)
This attitude of suspicion against the protest has even sunk into the secular Guardian. The Guardian first pointed out the ways in which the Catholic church stands against the secular state and rejects pluralism in some important sense, but the same paper publicly wrangled with its conscience over offering criticism. The readers’ editor treated us to snippets from journos and readers alike: Was the Pope coverage too “irreverent”, the copy frets? Has the paper occasionally lapsed “into a brand of intolerant rationalism that resembles a fundamentalism we would normally abhor”. Is it “Pope-bashing”? Is it “papist-bashing”?
Must it really be “anti-papist” to point out that the views the Vatican holds dear are seen as anachronistic, or as illiberal, or as outright dangerous, by many outside the faith (and many within it, too?).
Why must disagreeing be discriminating?
The Guardian’s troubled self-reflection was aired again in an editorial which adopts that easy in between position, criticising both the Holy See and the protesters:
Things got off on a bad footing with the pope’s senior adviser, Cardinal Walter Kasper seeming to suggest that to land into Heathrow was to land into a place rendered third world by multiculturalism. He was soon unpacking his suitcase, but his boss went on to link the Nazis’ atrocities with their lack of faith, and encourage silly talk about atheists endangering Christmas. If the pope has not done much reconciling, then neither have his militant opponents. The thousands who traipsed through London chanting “he belongs in jail” may not see any connection between themselves and the anti-papist mobs of the past, but there is a failure to afford sincere faith the respect it is due.
A similar point is made by another commentator in the Irish press: “The humanists claimed their opposition to the state visit was because of the abuse crisis, papal opposition to condoms, abortion and gay rights, support for segregated education and the Pope’s apparent rehabilitation of ‘holocaust denier’ Bishop Richard Williamson”, said Vincent Browne. As if all this wasn’t enough. But Browne goes on to expose the truth!: “However, the nature of the dispute reflects Britain’s historically deep anti-Catholic roots. It might accurately be described as the antisemitism of the left.”
Riiight.
The cause of the worry, of the incongruity, begins to come into focus. It probably is true that the great majority of people marching with the Protest the Pope campaign made no connection between themselves “and the anti-papist mobs of the past” nor with “Britain’s historically anti-Catholic roots”. They don’t make that connection because it’s so utterly alien to the way they think. (This is my view based on being there, on knowing a fair number of marchers, on seeing the demographic, on listening to people.) We’re not Tudors. The Reformation and all that followed is not exactly ‘current affairs’ in our mental categorisation. ”The Troubles” were probably not our troubles, except when the cities were bombed, but even then the actions of the IRA hardly endeared either side.
People of all ages marched, but there were a lot of twenty-somethings and thirty-somethings for whom, I strongly suspect, the Protestant-versus-Catholic / papist-anti-papist divide has never been something living and personal. I’m only realising myself how deeply it runs in the collective memory of the media and the commenting class thanks to the critical comments the protest attracted.
This, I think, is part of the reason (only a part, but a real contribution) as to why people in the churches, people who commentate on religion, journalists of a certain age, cannot escape the mindset that there must be “anti-Catholic” motivations bubbling away.
But that is their paradigm, their baggage.
The campaign enumerated its actual grievances over and over. For the most part, protest banners were about real issues, and positively held values. Even many of the rest were just light-hearted or self-satirising. Geoffrey Robertson QC began his speech with a pun on Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar: “Friends, Roman pontiffs, countrymen…” Even if you disagree with the message – even if you think the Holy See has nothing to answer for on sexual abuse, or on its failure to buy into human rights legislation, or its stances on condoms and AIDS or women or abortion – isn’t it just possible that these concerns might be enough to motivate someone to protest when the head of that so-called state is being publicly and expensively venerated?
Even Andrew Brown recognised that ”the crowd was cheerful and good humoured” at the protest, and “certainly having a lot more fun than the gloomy handful of Paisleyite protestors traditional on these occasions.” But he still described the protest as the new “face of anti-Catholicism”.
The protesters weren’t Paisleyite – they were gay. They weren’t Protestant – they were women and children. They weren’t slavering Reformists or anti-Catholics or an anti-papal mob – they were liberals, progressives, and people who just thought “For god’s sake why are we paying so much attention and paying so much money to host this random, prejudiced, illiberal old church?”
When you are actively criticised by the Church for being atheist or secularist; if you’re tutted at from on high for sleeping with your partner before marriage, or at all if you’re gay; if you’re told that you have a certain place if you’re a woman, that as a family you’re wrong to plan ahead in quite that way; then your disagreement with religion has already been made personal by the Church. Big surprise: people don’t like being told that their genuine, modern, human values are the wrong values, still less do they like to pay to be told this.
It is always possible to distort through goggles darkly the views of your cultural opponents. But if there’s an old sectarian war some people are still fighting it’s not me, it’s not the vast majority of fellow protesters as far as I could see. We’re not fighting that petty old fight, and if our critics can’t recognise even for a moment what our real beef is, then god help them.
Bob Churchill studied philosophy at the University of Warwick and Queens University, Canada, and is Head of Membership at the British Humanist Association, which co-initiated the Protest the Pope campaign. @bobchurchill
All photographs featured are by Andrew West and some more photos from the Protest the Pope march held on Saturday 18 September 2010 are available. You can also read, watch or hear the speeches from the rally at www.protest-the-pope.org.uk.
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Very well said.
I’m annoyed (though I feel like I shouldn’t be surprised… but then, yes, I am!!) by the lack of coverage and misinformation going around about the protest.
I don’t understand this mentality of the papists of ‘we beat you! We had loads more people!!’ – it’s not a competition!
Hopefully the message will get across eventually in some form.
The thing about being Protestant is that you first have to be a Christian. Since the vast majority of the secular humanist participants are atheists, they are no more Protestant than they are Catholic. Not our fight.
Very well said indeed.
Exactly right. I would note that many of the protestors I met were not even British, they were from Italy, Poland, France, South Africa and Australia (respectively)… the idea that they harbour some lingering gripe about ‘the troubles’ is ludicrous.
A great article, which I feel summed up the mood of the protest very accurately. Papal defenders make nonsensical statements because it’s the only form of rhetoric let available to them; non sense.
I agree but feel the focus on the Pope visit and catholic beliefs has been held up as the only religion we object to, while really it is all religions that athiests and humanitarians are against.
For example the humanitarians amoungst us were fighting for the UN general assembly to comdemn stoning as a punishment in muslim countries. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who leads according to his Muslim beliefs, adressed the general assembly and yet there were few protesting voices, or blogs or support!
So come on guys lets get our act together and remember what we’re doing, it aint just one group it’s the stuff they all spout that needs adressing. The orthadox jewish religion refuses to allow women to be rabbis, and treats homosexuals in the same way as the Catholic faith. Witch doctors in africa are still kidnapping and sacrificing children to their gods. It’s all bunkham and all needs to be shown up. Lets not get stuck in a rut please.
I think it’s our concentration on one particular religion that has made people I know very wary of our valid concerns. We’ve alienated a lot of like minded folk and have definately been used as an excuse for a lot of really nasty anti catholic vitriole ……
Hi “something Fishy”
Yes. It would be easy to perceive a focus exclusively on Catholicism as sectarian, or at least as only focusing on one religion, being stuck in a “rut”. And you are right that those ways other religions are doing damage is just as important – in the case of Iran and stoning it’s more important.
But it is also easy to see how this happens and why people focus on one group rather than another. The big majority of people in the UK are from a white, “culturally Christian” background even if it means nothing to them. It may be wrong, it may be a double-standard, but this does make it harder for people to come out against ‘other’ religions. And it doesn’t discredit what is being said about the Vatican at all.
Excellent opinion piece. Measured, cool and thoughtful.
Re: Something Fishy
I agree that all the work of the BHA is and needs to be seen as being of equal value and importance. However, on facebook I asked what the Protest the Pope campaign did for BHA membership numbers and was told they had experienced many months worth of growth so far in September. This high profile and peaceful event has been a real boost!
One step at a time, we can raise the profile of secularism in the UK So let’s think about what our next step should be
Well said, Bob.
What did anyone expect but the sort of response from newspapers, the media, and the Vatican itself. Many many people are subconsciously in awe of religion, whatever their vocal opinions might be, and fear for the eternal damnation of their soul should they seriously criticise the Pope and the Church. Don’t laugh, this is very real.
And as for the Vatican, does anyone really believe they would roll over and take the criticisms and protests lying down? The Vatican is an organisation with two thousand years’ experience of maintaining political power and psychological hold over its church members; it has never shirked from re-stating the world and history to suit its own ends, and it has never been slow to use underhand means of the worst kind to silence its critics in order to preserve its domain. This is not some backwater pushover church and we must expect them to defend their position by whatever means available to them. We are dealing with sovereign dictatorial state whose stated policies conflict with human rights, who sees itself as god’s spokesman on earth, and who are fighting for their survival in an increasingly secular educated world. How much more dangerous can a state get? Wake up and see the reality of the situation.
I don’t understand this mentality of the papists of ‘we beat you! We had loads more people!!’ – it’s not a competition!
OK, here – right here – is an example of why Catholics think that there was bigotry involved. “Papists”? Really? In the 21st century? Go and look up the history of the term, and the contexts in which it has been used. Catholics may occasionally use it jokingly as a moniker, but when people protesting against Catholics refer to them as “papists”, they’re unlikely to get a positive response.
We should all be more respectful in the way we address each other, but I also like to think (most of us) are mature enough to brush aside name-calling. I am sure that half the time, no real insult is intended. In any case, we humanists should rise above the sectarianism that many theists hold towards their perceived ‘enemies’ and show them what an enlightened bunch we are.
Just as a change of pace, I find that it helps to give some of these pompus dicks funny names (based on their own, of course).
My personal favourite is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (which is a fine mouthful) comes out like this:
Manboob I’m a dinner jacket (say quickly and you’ll get it).
or in relation to the Rat Zinger (burger …)
Pope Bent-dicked.
I’m sure you can come up with some equally rude ones of your own – the trick is to try and match the cadence with the rhyme.
@ OP:
“When you are actively criticised by the Church for being atheist or secularist; if you’re tutted at from on high for sleeping with your partner before marriage, or at all if you’re gay; if you’re told that you have a certain place if you’re a woman, that as a family you’re wrong to plan ahead in quite that way; then your disagreement with religion has already been made personal by the Church. Big surprise: people don’t like being told that their genuine, modern, human values are the wrong values, still less do they like to pay to be told this.”
So what’s your point? People might not like told that their values are “the wrong values”, but so what? Surely you aren’t suggesting that we should never criticise other people’s views?
@ Marc Draco:
“Just as a change of pace, I find that it helps to give some of these pompus dicks funny names (based on their own, of course).”
Really? I find it makes you look like a rather unfunny five-year-old.